Evolutionist's hate.

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I was debating a subject on a creation ministry forum (I'm a mod there). While searching for some information for the debate, is when I ran across this site listing the current debate I was involved in. They listed it for only one reason. To mock, ridicule, etc... all comments being made by any Christian on that forum. So upon finding this out, I confronted the ones that were in that thread debating me, on who it was copying and pasting stuff from there to the other site (how this thing got started). The thread went silent, with no posting for 3-4 days. When before they were posting 1-2 times a day.

Side note: FSTDT.com now requires people to join to access the really hateful stuff. It shows that they are willing to do what they do, but are unwilling to own up to what they do. So they block sites like this from linking to these things they do not want to own up to. 

I started asking more direct questions they would not answer. Like: Why does this site (FSTDT.com) even exist? They would not answer on the forum. But here is where they answered the question on their own website (where it's safe for them).

It's fucking obvious why this site exists... it's to take the piss out of all the garbage that fundies, like you, spew on a regular basis. (so is this really why the site exists?)

Never seen any claim that this site's about honesty on Evolution though... that seems to be some lie you've just vomited out. (Confirmation that they lie continually about evolution.)

And when I confronted them about using recent debate information to make fun of, and that they had trolls patrolling our forum, this is how they tried to squirm out of it.

Funny how the non-believing members of your forum are all BANNED and therefore COULDN'T post while this was "exposed". And no one was posting here, either, because this comment had not been submitted here yet. Believe it or not, we do not have a bot that automatically feeds all the posts on your forum into our database the instant they're posted. Quotes are found. By people. Who typically have better things to do than monitoring your site every second, and will therefore often not stumble upon a thread until it's a number of months old. Explaining this to you on your forum, though, would have gotten me banned, which is why we feel it's a better use of our time to comment on it here. Because you guys are just so predictable. :)

In which I responded: It's only been a couple of weeks. I made the post that got listed here: Dec 28 2006, 09:10 AM. It got copy and pasted here Dec, 29 2006. Which means we have an active member, or lurker at our forum, that is copying and pasting stuff for this site (Stuck his foot in his mouth on that one trying to cover for what they really do, and their obsession with hate). But again, maybe I pulled that one out of my butt (a response to them saying that's where my answers were coming from, They used the A word of course). And I guess you don't know when someone gets banned, LOL. Because they were restricted from posting in open forum which is different. This just confirmed that it was a member we put into the cooler (restricted area) that relayed this to you. How else would you have known because when we restrict people from posting, that does not show up next to their member name? Nice blunder. Shows someone lied to us over at the forum (they even expose each other when they lie).

So the challenge to the site owner will be to see if he can answer a few question with truth, and no cover ups:

1) Why does a site like this exist?

2) What is the goal of this site?

3) Why does this site only single out Christians?

4) Why do you allow such extreme hate expressed, even up to wanting to kill Christians just for what they believe?

5) Since a lot of the site makes references to evolution vs creation, is this what it takes to defend this theory (hate extreme enough to want people dead)?

6) Is this type of extreme hate scientific (what science has turned into because of evolution)?

7) Since no other atheist site condemns what is done on your site. Is it correct to assume that every evolutionist condones what your site promotes?

8) And that the killing referred to on your site, is it just a continued goal Hitler did not achieve?

9) What makes you hate Christians so that you would put up a site like this (what did we do to you to warrant death)?

10) Do you consider yourself a radical evolutionist, or would you say all evolutionists share your views about Christians, as expressed on your site?

Well it would seem that FSTDT.com decided to answer the questions I posed for them. And now for what they have said. Along with my comments. But before we start here. I want to set the mood for what is about to be posted here by showing how the owner represents himself on the forum that is part of the site.

Satanic star has 5 points. Star of David has six points. Satanic symbols  (link).

This is the site owners avatar at his own forum (FSTDT.com). This avatar (red pic) actually answers most of the question I asked. He also goes by the name Yahweh by the red pic at his forum. It only goes to show who his god really is, and confirms he is a Satanist. For those who do not know, this is the Satanic star (the red pic, and the center pic of the cover of the Satanic bible). Not the star of David on the right (the white pic). The face you see in the center (the red pic) is called the goat. The two top points represent the horns of the goat. The two side points are the ears. And the bottom point is the chin. This symbol is used for identification between Satanists. By using this symbol, the owner of this site is identifying himself to other Satanists as being one himself. Just as they also wear a goatee trimmed a certain way as a identity as well. Upside down crosses tattooed on the hand next to the thumb is also used for this purpose. A tattoo where a snake swallows it's own tale is also another symbol. And there are many symbols.

Side note: I went back to their forum to see if they hade responded. They did. What made me just about fall out of my seat laughing was the excuse used for using the Satainic symbol as his avatar. It was classic. The reply is below:

FSTDT reply: The reply is worthless, it doesn't even merit a (serious) response. Among other things, they guy deduces that I must be a Satanist because of my username and avatar. If the guy had actually asked me why I use "Yahweh" and a pentagram avatar, I would have told him that I've been using "Yahweh" for ~10 years because I just liked the name, and that I've been using pentagram avatars on messageboards for ~6 years because I think they look interesting; the webmaster would have seen that my choice of username and avatar is just an aesthetic thing...

My reply: I just like the name and the picture, because they are interesting. How lame is that? Out of the millions of pics he could have chosen, he chooses one that confirms His hate for God is Satanic. Is that the same excuse you use for the pic of Christ getting a BJ? Nice try, no one here is going to believe that.

If some of you don't think this site is run by a Satanist, I want you to check out the sayings for sell on buttons on this witchcraft site. And see if they don't match this site sayings: http://www.pin-bin.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=12

Here's a couple samples:

Th goat represents two things in God's word:

1) Goat was used in the old testament for sin atonement. This no longer applies and is why it is used by Satanist. It's a mockery of God directly. Why? Because it denies Christ ever died on the cross for sins.

2) At the judgement throne of Christ. There will be a separation of those standing before him. It will be a right hand (sheep) left hand (goat) type judgement. Satanists already know which side they will be on that day (the goat side). And is why this symbol is used as well. So here is the judgement as it is written in the word:

Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Notice that the judgement is based on those who will do practically nothing to help another human being (Not helping the hungry, sick, dying, or the ones in jail). Now what current theory makes a person look upon others as less than human? Evolution. From another page on my site:

This is also why you see Christian missionaries helping people like this. But name a group of evolutionists that is willing to feed and help those in Sudan? Can't find one can you? They cannot do this if they truly believe evolution. Because these people are dying because they are not the fittest, and therefore cannot be naturally selected to survive. When in actuality, they die because those who believe evolution are to afraid to help. Afraid of what their peers might say, and that they may be categorized along with Christians for even caring about what is considered a lower race. You won't see a subject like this even come up anywhere where evolutionists are gathered. In fact I can list comments from their forums where they actually poke fun at Christians for even going to the trouble of trying to help anyone who suffers like this. They make fun of the money we raise to help these people in their troubling times. Because they believe that this money should be spent on better things, like expeditions to find supposed new evidence to prove evolution. The theory in itself has become more sacred than human life. If not, then where is the help from evolutionists for Sudan? http://www.yecheadquarters.org/shame.html (at the bottom of page).

Comment: This is why this person who owns FSTDT.com has such a hate for "all" Christians and God. The ways of God are the exact opposite of the ways of the Goat (representation of Satanism). In order for one to be judged in that category along with the Goats, he cannot allow the ways of the sheep to exist, or look superior in any way shape or form (is also the reason you won't see a mockery of evolution made on that site. Evolution supports the ways of the Goat). He will deem the ways of the Goat to be strong by saying the ways of the sheep are weak. And that the sheep are stupid, ignorant, and uneducated just because they will help another human, or believe in God. And because the sheep do consider "all" humans equal in creation. Name a group of atheist-evolutionists that go around the world to help the starving, poor, sick, dying? Now read the judgement verses above again, and you will see why. If you follow the goat, you can't do what the sheep do.

Being a Satanist explains where all the hate comes from, and why they think it is "entertainment" to mock people for what they believe. So now with the stage set for who wrote the answers to the questions I posed. Here is the letter containing the answers, or should I say a post from his forum that I was given a link to:

The webmaster of YEC Headquarters asked me several questions. Unfortunately, he didn't bother to send them to me, it was only luck that I stumbled on them. In any case, here are answers to his question. 1) Why does a site like this exist? Officially, the site exists because a long time ago, the original FSTDT webmaster, Allan Glenn (Winace), used to post on a music messageboard. Every so often, someone would post something bizarre and hilarious, and Allan would poke fun at the person by quoting the comment in his signature. For his own amusement, he changed his signature to a new quote every week... but, he didn't want to lose the old quotes, they were too unforgetable, so he created a text file on his computer archiving all of his old signatures/quotes. But, after a while, the textfile began to get pretty large. And he thought it would be fun to share the the file with others, so he put up a site and others got a kick out of it. Unexpectedly, people started sending him their own quotes, and he published them on his website. And so, the FSTDT site came into existence. Allan managed the FSTDT Archive for about a year and a half, but it became too timeconsuming for him to do (he was very ill). He stopped updating the site for a few months, and over time a few people offered to take over the archive. Winace asked for a person who could create a database-driven website for him, and I just happened to be the one with requisite knowledge to do that. I wanted to keep the project alive, so I took the liberty of creating a database driven website to streamline submissions and publishing, as well as to add some functionality like commenting and rating quotes. I found a lot of people really liked the site, and a community was beginning to form, so I kept adding more and more to it, including a forum, a place to submit funny images, and so on.

A community that has a hate and distaste for anything Christian.

2) What is the goal of this site?  Entertainment.

I guess it is entertaining to have a site that is 90% geared towards the hate of Christians. Even up to implying that they should be killed just for what they believe.

3) Why does this site only single out Christians? Secular fundies on FSTDT My site quotes atheists, Muslims, agnostics, wiccans, and anyone who says anything ignorant. In the past, I've quoted people who believed in eastern mysticism such as "chi", I have quotes from raw foodists, and I have a whole wing of the site dedicated to quoting conspiracy theorists. Contrary to your beliefs, this site does not single out Christians. However, the vast majority of the quotes on this site come from Christians because they tend to have a monopoly on everything worth quoting, including extreme racist bigotry, homophobia, scientific ignorance to the hilarious extreme, sexism to the extremes of blaming rape victims for their own rapes, and violent political beliefs that make the 10th century crusaders look like bunny rabbits. However, there are two reasons why I don't quote non-Christians as often: 1) I don't get a lot of non-Christian submissions. Non-Christian quotes just don't get submitted to the site very often at all. 2) Atheists, specifically, just aren't very funny. The most funny atheist quote I've ever seen, one you can see in the link above, was made by a 14-year-old who claimed that Bigfoot was the missing link that proved evolution *sigh*. But, even including children like the one just mentioned, posts by atheists are too cumbersome to read, lack the hateful zeal that you find in Christian posts, and the most quotable posts tend to be some kind of hateful comment about Christians. Quotable atheist comments tend to be limited to "lol Christians are deluded", or in the extreme case "Christians need to be jailed posthaste!", but after about 100 of those quotes it gets old. But Christian fundies, on the other hand, contribute an unbelievably diverse amount of quotable material, enough original material to keep this site constantly updated in operation every month.

1) Which shows that your members are basically Atheists, and Satanists like yourself.

2) I guess if atheists are not very funny, they should not have the market cornered on comedy. Which by the way branches out into many areas (stand up comedians, Comics, Joke books, movies, etc...). So nice try. Your excuse is just about as bad as you trying to deny being a Satanist, when your site promotes the exact hate of it.

4) Why do you allow such extreme hate expressed, even up to wanting to kill Christians just for what they believe? I allow people to say anything, I operate my site using a principle of minimal moderation. But I do not condone everything said on my site, and I get pissed off when people on my site act no better than the fundies who get quoted here. If someone says something ignorant or hateful enough, they get published on the mainpage with all of the other fundies. I don't remove anything that anyone says, whether I agree with it or not. If an atheist makes an idiotic comment, then I have no qualms about putting on public display to be mocked and ridiculed.

Regardless of how many excuses you make for your sites content. What you allow on your site shapes what your site has become. If killing Christians is entertainment, then allowing it to be said is what you condone. Having the ability to delete comments like this on your site, but not choosing to because "you allow people to say anything" attitude. Is allowing, and approving what you actually think. Because when someone actually carries out what you allow on your site (killing people for what they believe), I'd like to see if you can get off the hook by using one of the lame excuses you use here. There is nothing you can say that will ever justify murder.

5) Since a lot of the site makes references to evolution vs creation, is this what it takes to defend this theory (hate extreme enough to want people dead)? Science is the only appropriate defense of evolution. Ignore the ignorant comments from people who think Hovind should be killed.

And if someone does not ignore this, and actually carries it out. And you get connected to it because the guy says: I got the idea off of FSTDT.com.  What will you do? You know that there is enough hate out there for Hovind that someone just might carry it out. So if it happens, and it's connected to you and your site. What are you going to say? It was just entertainment?

6) Is this type of extreme hate scientific (what science has turned into because of evolution)? No, its a cultural phenomenon. Notice that the extreme hate takes place on message boards among laymens, and notice that the context of whatever hate you percieve is socio-political. No one would care what fundies say if it weren't for the fact that they are trying to roll back civil rights in this country, rewrite the whole of history to fit their little pet theories about the universe, make a mockery of science by trying to justify ice-canopy theories, hydroplate theories, flood geology, and geocentricism.

So your goal of all this is a type of mind control? Where your way of thinking is the only way everyone should think? Because to do what you say above, it would take an established dictatorship that puts out information that only supports it's views (your views). And stifles all other views even up to killing those who would disagree. Even Hitler tried to do this. If what you believe were truly about free thought. You would not care what I think, or anyone else. The term free thinker is just a cover up for the mind control you want to havem over everyone. Because free thinking is a part of freedom. I see no freedom in thinking that anyone who does not go along with your ideas, should be ridiculed, or even killed. Maybe that's the real reason you allow people to say: We should kill Christians. Deep inside, it's what you want. So you let other people say it for you.

So is the mockery of science your justification for murder? Because every excuse I see by people like yourself, always boils down to science and evolution. And killing for evolution always connects to Hitler. And will be the reason I will always make that connection as long as sites like yours, and other condone killing.

7) Since no other atheist site condemns what is done on your site. Is it correct to assume that every evolutionist condones what your site promotes? Well, since you're wrong that no atheist condemns the comments on my site, I suppose your question isn't relevant anymore. I've condemned idiotic comments on my site, I've even quoted atheists saying hateful things on my site. And about once per month, a thread is posted on my forums that we (as in, everyone who contributes to FSTDT) should be more rational in our replies to fundies on the mainpage, because a lot of the times the comments to quotes are just as hateful as the quotes themselves.

I guess killing Christians for what they believe is not hateful enough for you to remove. I guess because we are considered a lower ignorant race for what we believe. Evolution must of taught you that.

8) And that the killing referred to on your site, is it just a continued goal Hitler did not achieve? I lol'ed reading that one. But to answer your question: No. That was someone's immature comment on the mainpage, not something to get worked up over.

I'm sure you did LOL at that one. After all, killing Christian is just entertainment, right? And because it is entertainment, it's nothing for me to get worked up over. Your attempts to cover up what your site really promotes gets more lame with each answer.

And by the way, my site quotes neo-nazis by the armfull. And you know what those neo-nazis have in common? They're all Christians, they call themselves True Christians™ in fact. Seriously, visit ChristianParty.net and Stormfront Community if you don't believe me.

People can claim to be what ever they want. Claiming to be Christian does not make someone a Christian no more than me claiming to be a millionaire puts a million dollars in my pocket. Nice try.

9) What makes you hate Christians so that you would put up a site like this (what did we do to you to warrant death)? I don't hate Christians.* A person on another board, Marian, makes a few poignant comments** I've known more than a few religious people that while I do not agree with their beliefs, I have respect for them, and how they attempt to live their lives to some pretty decent ideals and morality concepts. Sure I regard many things they believe in as 'dumb', or superstitious, but overall they're decent human beings***. FSTDT isn't an attack on them, or even faith, or religion, but an attack on hypocrisy, stupidity, and the most asinine perversions of morality. More importantly I think it serves as a good example of why people need to think for themselves, question what they believe and WHY they believe it, and to speak out against the vocal minority of hatemongers, racists, sanctimonious pricks, etc. who claim to represent their beliefs.****

* Your site says other wise.

**Blame it on someone else. Nice try.

***The only people I see evolutionist respect are those who will concede to their views some what. I can bet they are OEC, not YEC. Correct? Which makes you bias concerning the Christian faith on who you will like, or respect, according to if they accept some of your views.

****And why do you attack YEC? It's because of what they believe, correct? Like killing Hovind. What did he ever do to warrant death? Only because he is YEC, and it made people question evolution, correct? In fact, tell me what it was that Hovind did that the members of you forum would want to kill him? You should be able to answer that question since you allow it to be said.

Again, nice try.

By the way, my site has a lot of Christian fans: - about 1/2 of the people on my site are Christians.* - one of the FSTDT moderators who approves the quotes on my site, quantumspirit, is a Christian.** - Uberlutheran, a Christian, a frequent contributor to my site. *** - Skyfire, a Christian, posts on my boards everyday.**** - I like to Google "fstdt" once in a while, and I find the site mentioned all the time on Christian websites. The funny thing is, 90% of the reviews are very positive: people get a kick out of the site, even the people who get quoted on my site think its funny.*****

*Like I said before, people claiming to be some thing does not make them what they claim to be. God will judge people by action, not by their words.

**So I wonder what Christ will say as He is shown the picture of Himself getting a BJ? So would quantumspirit call Christ a queer, and still expect to enter heaven? Again, we will be judged by our actions. And what we condone by our actions.

***If he approves of what is on your site, then he will fall into the same problem as quantumspirit does. God is not mocked. And your site does a good job of mocking Him.

****Same thing with this member as well (same as above).

*****And there are non-believers who post on Christian sites, as well as those who pose as believers. And there are fake Christian forums and sites as well.

10) Do you consider yourself a radical evolutionist, or would you say all evolutionists share your views about Christians, as expressed on your site? I couldn't imagine what "radical evolutionist" even means.* I'd also appreciate it if you didn't attempt to put words in my mouth as to what my views on Christians are. Here is what I have to say about Christians: - I don't hate Christians, but I do hate vile racists, misogynists, and homophobes who spit on the Constitution while they try to roll back all the civil rights that every human is entitled to.** - I don't hate Christians, but I do hate anyone who attempts to undo 100s of years of science and believes their dark-age pet theories deserve to be endorsed by the government.*** - I don't hate Christians, but I hate far-right Christian conservatives who think the government should be passing religious laws, who think that their religious rules apply to people who aren't even members of their religion.**** - I don't hate Christians, but I hate the smug, holier-than-thou pricks who trivialize the horrors of the holocaust and make a mockery of the suffering of millions of tortured people by comparing Hitler to a few immature posters poking fun at funny religious beliefs.***** - I don't hate Christians, but I hate the whining, sanctimonious, immature pathethic people who think the government refusing to pass Christian-based religious laws is tantamount to persecution.****** - I don't hate Christians, I respect the ones who are decent, reasonable people in and of themselves. (Although, I'll admit, some Christians get brownie points if they say nice things about FSTDT )******* If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask them in this thread, PM them to me, or email me at fstdt@hotmail.com

Since this was written on his forum, he has re-worked it. You can read the reworked version here: http://www.fstdt.com/forums/thread.asp?p=24874#24874

*I guess you are saying that "all" evolutionists think and act just like you do?

**Don't have to. Your site says it pretty well for you. If there was not the ability to moderate postings. Then what you claim about why that stuff is there would be acceptable. But because you do have the ability to moderate, but choose not to. Means you condone what is on your site. There is no way around this as long as you have the ability, but choose to do nothing about it. Also, are you the thought police? I don't remember anyone given that title except Hitler (your mentor?).

***And so people like Hovind deserve to die for that?

****So why don't you start exterminating us? Just as Darwin and Hitler wanted? It's the only way you will be rid of these problems. Christians are not going away, so there is only one alternative left. And your site already promotes it.

*****Then you should not dish out what you can't take. I only dished out what was dished to me and othe Christians from your site. Can you show me were I went further than your site does, as far as any hate goes. If so, I will be more than glad to post it here for opinions by our web visitors.

******Sounds like you are whining to me. Like I said before. Christians are not going away.

*******Only when you have nice things to say about YEC. But that won't happen will it? And for what reason? Hate! And your love for the Goat god, and all that supports it.

My response: Your site speaks for you. You can type or say: I don't hate Christians till the day you die. But it won't matter as long as that site exists. And your lame responses (excuses) also confirm that you cannot own up to your own actions. Or what your actions promote. And that you think that you can promote that your site is as harmless as a site about gardening. Except if it were, you would have to be anti-envirometal. Because your site is a oxymoron to what you try and claim.

Update: Somethings can actually change even if just a little. Some of the most vulgar images presented on this site have seemed to be removed from site, or moved to a different area.